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	<title>Comments on: Phil is right that dumping 11,000 homes&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Dropping prices, new construction and the inherent risk in a changing market &#124; Real Central VA</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/phil-is-right-that-dumping-11000-homes/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>Dropping prices, new construction and the inherent risk in a changing market &#124; Real Central VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Calculated Risk covered this story as well as Phil&#8217;s excellent analysis of a related story (h/t: Dustin) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Calculated Risk covered this story as well as Phil&#8217;s excellent analysis of a related story (h/t: Dustin) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/phil-is-right-that-dumping-11000-homes/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: Give us the real scoop.

From CNN, I read that they sold 11K &quot;properties&quot;.  You&#039;re right that most of those properties are probably undeveloped lots, but I&#039;m not sure what difference that makes.  By the time they are at the &quot;lot&quot; level, they&#039;ve gone through zoning and, at least typically, have recently developed homes nearby.   Are you saying it is irrelevant that Lennar is selling these lots on the cheap?   What misinformation are we compounding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: Give us the real scoop.</p>
<p>From CNN, I read that they sold 11K &#8220;properties&#8221;.  You&#8217;re right that most of those properties are probably undeveloped lots, but I&#8217;m not sure what difference that makes.  By the time they are at the &#8220;lot&#8221; level, they&#8217;ve gone through zoning and, at least typically, have recently developed homes nearby.   Are you saying it is irrelevant that Lennar is selling these lots on the cheap?   What misinformation are we compounding?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Zekas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Zekas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about compounding misinformation.

What Lennar sold was mostly undeveloped lots.

This is what happens when you quote from a real estate blog rather than going directly to Lennar&#039;s SEC filings or a credible source for straight information.

Now people will cite this blog as evidence of what&#039;s happened and compound the confusion even further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about compounding misinformation.</p>
<p>What Lennar sold was mostly undeveloped lots.</p>
<p>This is what happens when you quote from a real estate blog rather than going directly to Lennar&#8217;s SEC filings or a credible source for straight information.</p>
<p>Now people will cite this blog as evidence of what&#8217;s happened and compound the confusion even further.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops! Thanks Mike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops! Thanks Mike!</p>
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		<title>By: mike simonsen</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/phil-is-right-that-dumping-11000-homes/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>mike simonsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops. bad second link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops. bad second link.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spencer,

I agree that the estimated price was likely inflated... and that Lennar is probably getting a relatively good deal out of the exchange. (Hence the initial rise in their stock price after the deal was announced).

Nonetheless, I think it is an excellent example of quickly home builders will move to consolidate losses and get their &quot;homes&quot; back in order.  :)     I still think that home owners that recently bought in areas with lots of new home construction had better be in it for the long haul, because the short-term doesn&#039;t look good.

In terms of blogging... I read a lot and have just decided to comment on things as I think of them.   I only get &quot;bloggers-block&quot; when I start to consolidate ideas in my head in hope of creating one game-changing post.   4realz is my outlet to think out-loud!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer,</p>
<p>I agree that the estimated price was likely inflated&#8230; and that Lennar is probably getting a relatively good deal out of the exchange. (Hence the initial rise in their stock price after the deal was announced).</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I think it is an excellent example of quickly home builders will move to consolidate losses and get their &#8220;homes&#8221; back in order.  <img src='http://4realz.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />      I still think that home owners that recently bought in areas with lots of new home construction had better be in it for the long haul, because the short-term doesn&#8217;t look good.</p>
<p>In terms of blogging&#8230; I read a lot and have just decided to comment on things as I think of them.   I only get &#8220;bloggers-block&#8221; when I start to consolidate ideas in my head in hope of creating one game-changing post.   4realz is my outlet to think out-loud!  <img src='http://4realz.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Spencer Barron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer Barron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wasn&#039;t surprised at the spread between book value and the sale price.  I&#039;m sure the book value is inflated.   People should ask themselves, &quot;how do I determine the value of raw land?&quot;  The answer is, it depends on what I can build.   By retaining a 20% interest and then getting paid to  manage, this sounds like a savvy deal for Lennar.

Homeowners shouldn&#039;t read too much into this as far as how it affects their home values.  It&#039;s not going to translate into a 60% loss.  It just makes for a sensational headline.

My guess is the builders won&#039;t leave money on the table. They&#039;ll lower the price to where the homes will sell.  Probably slightly more than what currently available existing similar homes are selling for.  Shareholders demand profits.

-Dustin, how do you find time to blog this much?  Keep it up. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wasn&#8217;t surprised at the spread between book value and the sale price.  I&#8217;m sure the book value is inflated.   People should ask themselves, &#8220;how do I determine the value of raw land?&#8221;  The answer is, it depends on what I can build.   By retaining a 20% interest and then getting paid to  manage, this sounds like a savvy deal for Lennar.</p>
<p>Homeowners shouldn&#8217;t read too much into this as far as how it affects their home values.  It&#8217;s not going to translate into a 60% loss.  It just makes for a sensational headline.</p>
<p>My guess is the builders won&#8217;t leave money on the table. They&#8217;ll lower the price to where the homes will sell.  Probably slightly more than what currently available existing similar homes are selling for.  Shareholders demand profits.</p>
<p>-Dustin, how do you find time to blog this much?  Keep it up. <img src='http://4realz.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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