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	<title>Comments on: Talking about Zillow&#8217;s neighborhood aggregation got me thinking&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Interesting that Trulia shrunk the map&#8230; &#171; 4realz.net</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/talking-about-zillows-neighborhood-aggregation-got-me-thinking/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>Interesting that Trulia shrunk the map&#8230; &#171; 4realz.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as this one for Calabasas. In a timely coincidence, there was a good discussion earlier today on the post about neighborhood mapping , where Jessie B pointed out that maps are really valuable for only a small subset of people moving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as this one for Calabasas. In a timely coincidence, there was a good discussion earlier today on the post about neighborhood mapping , where Jessie B pointed out that maps are really valuable for only a small subset of people moving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/talking-about-zillows-neighborhood-aggregation-got-me-thinking/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David:  You&#039;re awesome... Despite your implication, I don&#039;t think Michael would agree with you that Zillow&#039;s implementation was genius.   Clearly Zillow is not going to have a great neighborhood experience if your existing listing content is the &quot;genius&quot; that makes it work. Zillow&#039;s listing content is clearly not nearly comprehensive enough.

Thinking of neighborhood definitions... One of the other mapping projects I spearheaded at Move was to use the neighborhood definitions given by agents on their listings (many MLS provide this as a field) to develop a unique set of &quot;agent-defined&quot; neighborhood definitions that was &lt;a href=&quot;http://hood.theory.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inspired by the work done by the neighborhood project&lt;/a&gt;.   Besides realtor.com, I think only craigstlist is sitting on enough user-defined points to put together a truly unique nationwide set of neighborhoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:  You&#8217;re awesome&#8230; Despite your implication, I don&#8217;t think Michael would agree with you that Zillow&#8217;s implementation was genius.   Clearly Zillow is not going to have a great neighborhood experience if your existing listing content is the &#8220;genius&#8221; that makes it work. Zillow&#8217;s listing content is clearly not nearly comprehensive enough.</p>
<p>Thinking of neighborhood definitions&#8230; One of the other mapping projects I spearheaded at Move was to use the neighborhood definitions given by agents on their listings (many MLS provide this as a field) to develop a unique set of &#8220;agent-defined&#8221; neighborhood definitions that was <a href="http://hood.theory.org/" rel="nofollow">inspired by the work done by the neighborhood project</a>.   Besides realtor.com, I think only craigstlist is sitting on enough user-defined points to put together a truly unique nationwide set of neighborhoods.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Swann</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/talking-about-zillows-neighborhood-aggregation-got-me-thinking/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Swann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t taken the time to comment on any of this, but I&#039;m at  a loss to understand why Zillow invested even more money on really amazingly badly defined &quot;neighborhoods.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t taken the time to comment on any of this, but I&#8217;m at  a loss to understand why Zillow invested even more money on really amazingly badly defined &#8220;neighborhoods.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David G from Zillow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G from Zillow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Michael; the genius in Zillow&#039;s implementation of neighborhood search is that it&#039;s well integrated with listings. I do however really like having access to a map view of the neighborhood on the neighborhood overview page.

It&#039;s our hope that neighborhoods on the map drive traffic to neighborhood detail pages like homes on the map are an entry point to home detail pages. Time will tell if the Zindex is sufficient to attract that interest -- but I&#039;d love to hear suggestions for more effective hooks to Zillow&#039;s local pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Michael; the genius in Zillow&#8217;s implementation of neighborhood search is that it&#8217;s well integrated with listings. I do however really like having access to a map view of the neighborhood on the neighborhood overview page.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s our hope that neighborhoods on the map drive traffic to neighborhood detail pages like homes on the map are an entry point to home detail pages. Time will tell if the Zindex is sufficient to attract that interest &#8212; but I&#8217;d love to hear suggestions for more effective hooks to Zillow&#8217;s local pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/talking-about-zillows-neighborhood-aggregation-got-me-thinking/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had totally forgotten that there is a public view into more data using the same overlay widget (but on a smaller map) to give an idea of what I mean by adding more data options.   If you look at this page on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://neighborhoods.realtor.com/CA/Thousand-oaks/Calabasas/455511/Heat-map&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Calabasas neighborhood page&lt;/a&gt;, you can see an area where the team opened up even more GIS-based data fields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had totally forgotten that there is a public view into more data using the same overlay widget (but on a smaller map) to give an idea of what I mean by adding more data options.   If you look at this page on the <a href="http://neighborhoods.realtor.com/CA/Thousand-oaks/Calabasas/455511/Heat-map" rel="nofollow">Calabasas neighborhood page</a>, you can see an area where the team opened up even more GIS-based data fields.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/talking-about-zillows-neighborhood-aggregation-got-me-thinking/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessie: I&#039;d agree that this type of neighborhood data will only be useful to a small subset of users.   I happen to think it wouldn&#039;t be too difficult to make graphical data relevant to people moving even only a short distance, but that is another project for another day.

Overall, I agree completely that neighborhood map data is only valuable to small set of people who are looking to relocate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessie: I&#8217;d agree that this type of neighborhood data will only be useful to a small subset of users.   I happen to think it wouldn&#8217;t be too difficult to make graphical data relevant to people moving even only a short distance, but that is another project for another day.</p>
<p>Overall, I agree completely that neighborhood map data is only valuable to small set of people who are looking to relocate.</p>
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		<title>By: Zillow need&#8217;s a &#8220;My Maps&#8221; Feature &#124; Mortgage Industry Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zillow need&#8217;s a &#8220;My Maps&#8221; Feature &#124; Mortgage Industry Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been reading about Zillow&#8217;s new smart search, and the discussions that are springing up about map based real estate navigation, and think, what Zillow really needs is a Google My Maps type [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been reading about Zillow&#8217;s new smart search, and the discussions that are springing up about map based real estate navigation, and think, what Zillow really needs is a Google My Maps type [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie B</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/talking-about-zillows-neighborhood-aggregation-got-me-thinking/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessie B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Dustin,

Although I love these maps and nice tools (they are all great link bait for a tech point of view), I sometimes question their real usage by actual buyers. Obiviously for relo it&#039;s a great tool.

If memory serves me correctly from the NAR Homebuyers report, the normal buyer purchases a home witin 8-11 miles from were they live currently.  If that is the case, then how much usage do these tools really see, as I suspect most are famaliar with the areas they are interested in.

My personal experiance, is that most seem to be interested in finding out exactly what school their children will be going to more than anything else.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Dustin,</p>
<p>Although I love these maps and nice tools (they are all great link bait for a tech point of view), I sometimes question their real usage by actual buyers. Obiviously for relo it&#8217;s a great tool.</p>
<p>If memory serves me correctly from the NAR Homebuyers report, the normal buyer purchases a home witin 8-11 miles from were they live currently.  If that is the case, then how much usage do these tools really see, as I suspect most are famaliar with the areas they are interested in.</p>
<p>My personal experiance, is that most seem to be interested in finding out exactly what school their children will be going to more than anything else.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://4realz.net/2007/12/talking-about-zillows-neighborhood-aggregation-got-me-thinking/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe:

Because I ran GIS databases for years (as a transportation engineer) before jumping into online real estate, I also have a GIS bias...  And as a matter of fact, the Realtor.com Neighborhood widget I mentioned above has a GIS backend.   Getting a new dataset to show up on the map is as simple as importing the data into the backend and maping it to a new option to the option box.  The overlay tiles are actually generated on the fly, although the tiles are cached so areas that get hit often can display quickly.

The weakness of this approach is that you loose interactivity with the map once the maps are rendered.   That&#039;s why I think the work that Zillow put in to get each area to get highlighted on mouseover is really quite impressive.   The drawback to that approach is that it appears to be quite front-end heavy and my guess is that it will be a lot more work to get useful heat maps out of that system (especially heat maps that render well cross-browsers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:</p>
<p>Because I ran GIS databases for years (as a transportation engineer) before jumping into online real estate, I also have a GIS bias&#8230;  And as a matter of fact, the Realtor.com Neighborhood widget I mentioned above has a GIS backend.   Getting a new dataset to show up on the map is as simple as importing the data into the backend and maping it to a new option to the option box.  The overlay tiles are actually generated on the fly, although the tiles are cached so areas that get hit often can display quickly.</p>
<p>The weakness of this approach is that you loose interactivity with the map once the maps are rendered.   That&#8217;s why I think the work that Zillow put in to get each area to get highlighted on mouseover is really quite impressive.   The drawback to that approach is that it appears to be quite front-end heavy and my guess is that it will be a lot more work to get useful heat maps out of that system (especially heat maps that render well cross-browsers).</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael:  Good call...

I&#039;ll keep my opinions on the internal team structure stuff to myself, but you make a very valid point that the listings were not better integrated into the project. Granted there is an option to show &quot;home for sale&quot; on the widget, but the bulk of the listing integration of neighborhood data happens around the Showcase product. (see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://homes.realtor.com/realestate/calabasas-ca-91302-1081480276/#TPREPORTaction=OnSearchSubmit&amp;p_zip=91302&amp;p_address=23777+MULHOLLAND+HWY+Unit%3a+6%2c+CALABASAS%2c+CA&amp;search_for_primary_address=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;neighborhood info tab on any showcase listing&lt;/a&gt; for an example.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael:  Good call&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep my opinions on the internal team structure stuff to myself, but you make a very valid point that the listings were not better integrated into the project. Granted there is an option to show &#8220;home for sale&#8221; on the widget, but the bulk of the listing integration of neighborhood data happens around the Showcase product. (see the <a href="http://homes.realtor.com/realestate/calabasas-ca-91302-1081480276/#TPREPORTaction=OnSearchSubmit&amp;p_zip=91302&amp;p_address=23777+MULHOLLAND+HWY+Unit%3a+6%2c+CALABASAS%2c+CA&amp;search_for_primary_address=1" rel="nofollow">neighborhood info tab on any showcase listing</a> for an example.)</p>
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